Skyscape 2011

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The Skyscape is a Hybrid Double Wall / Single Wall three season solo shelter. Its use of Double Walls is designed to maximize the user comfort, while a Single Wall section is incorporated to minimize weight. The Skyscape takes full advantage of this to keep the final projected weight of the Ultralight version to 24 ounces.

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In spite of the lightweight, the Skyscape still has more than adequate room for the tallest of hikers to stretch out in comfort. With its dual pole design, it sets up rock solid with a minimum of three stakes. Two additional stakes are required to anchor the dual vestibules. This makes the Skyscape one of the easiest shelters to set quickly and right the first time and every time.

The Skyscape profile is designed to shed wind, rain or snow. No matter which direction they are driven. Its peak is off center to provide maximum space while sitting up and eliminate the claustrophobia of a ceiling right over your face. With an overall footprint of ten feet by six feet, the Skyscape will fit into a wide range of campsites.

The Skyscape will be available with an optional porch. This is easily fitted to the tent and can be used in multiple configurations. If fully deployed there's ample room for a couple of people to ride out a rainstorm in comfort. If you want some additional protection, you can set the porch for more protection while still maintaining easy entry and views.

The Skyscape is expected to be available in 2nd quarter of 2011. Stay tuned for pricing and configuration options.

 
Discuss (57 posts)
Re:Skyscape 2011
May 20 2011 15:26:56
We're holding of on publishing actual ratings on the new tent until we get production tents. The manufacture's ratings are higher than the fabrics we're currently using.
#90
Re:Skyscape 2011
May 20 2011 15:29:28
Unlike our other tents, the Skyscape models don't float. This is due to the fact that the poles are inside of the tent. This limits the height of the poles. There is some play available, however extending the poles would shorten the width of the floor.
#91
Re:Skyscape 2011
May 25 2011 02:33:09
Ron-

Just ordered a Trekker and wanted to thank you for considering us "tall" backpackers. Very few UL tentmakers consider our small segment of the market. I've had to go with 2p "regular" tents to fit my height. Seems most companies are just catering to the masses with $$ in their eyes.

Can't wait for July...

Thanks again,
Vaughn Newman
#97
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 03 2011 19:21:14
Are you planning additional colors for the Trekker?
#101
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 06 2011 15:05:36
Due to the large amount of fabric needed for each production run. It's not likely we'll be doing the Skyscape in multiple colors.
#102
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 09 2011 07:16:35
I use black diamond contour trekking poles, with 15° angled handles, will they fit the sleeves ?

Are there extra guyout points when some nasty weather hits or when the wind picks up. The only one i see is the one for raising the end a bit. When used as bug tent is it always a 3 peg pitch or is there a possibility of attaching guylines to the apex so it becomes a 5 stake pitch ?

How are the poles connected at the apex ? Is the strut sewn into a sleeve or is it removable for repairs or changing ?

Anxious to see pictures of a 6'1" inch model in the tent. I just sold my TT rainbow, and would like to save weight, but not skimp on useable floorspace.
#103
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 09 2011 18:01:34
Woodie wrote:
I use black diamond contour trekking poles, with 15° angled handles, will they fit the sleeves ?

The angle is located at the handle and won't affect the tip. The tent is setup with the handle end down.

Are there extra guy-out points when some nasty weather hits or when the wind picks up. The only one i see is the one for raising the end a bit.

There is just the one additional guy-out for raising the foot of the tent. The tent is designed to be very stable with all the standard stakes set.

When used as bug tent is it always a 3 peg pitch or is there a possibility of attaching guy-lines to the apex so it becomes a 5 stake pitch ?

I can't imagine a scenario where it's so windy you'd need additional guy-outs and still want to have the tent configured as a bug tent. In those conditions, I'd be deploying the vestibules simply as wind breaks.

How are the poles connected at the apex ? Is the strut sewn into a sleeve or is it removable for repairs or changing ?

The upper cross strut slips into a sleeve sewn into the tent roof. The strut is a casing that allows you to insert your pole tips on each end.

Anxious to see pictures of a 6'1" inch model in the tent. I just sold my TT rainbow, and would like to save weight, but not skimp on useable floorspace.

If you look on the Skyscape - X web-page. One of the photos has a full size 72" X 20" NeoAir in the tent. It'll provide a idea of the internal space.
#104
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 09 2011 21:53:18
ronmoak wrote:
Woodie wrote:
When used as bug tent is it always a 3 peg pitch or is there a possibility of attaching guy-lines to the apex so it becomes a 5 stake pitch ?

I can't imagine a scenario where it's so windy you'd need additional guy-outs and still want to have the tent configured as a bug tent. In those conditions, I'd be deploying the vestibules simply as wind breaks.

Maybe i didn't phrase that properly. This question wasn't about wind or bug protection. More of a personal preference in how to pitch a tent.

I've used a TT rainbow until recently and it's only possible to open up the vestibule, the back is staked out. I use this configuration a lot and really like it.

If there wouldn't be a possibility to attach a guyline to the apex, wouldn't that pull the tent back or wouldn't the fabric of the rear vestibule be fairly loosely tensioned ? Come to think of it, i've never staked out the front of the rainbow in this configuration, but it's a different design so maybe tension is distributed differently.

What is the length of the apex strut ?

Sorry for all the questions, but i want my next tent to serve me well.
#105
Ventilation
Jun 10 2011 11:13:36
The views/ventilation on the Skyscape look great when it is opened up. Can you comment on the ventilation when it is closed up? It looks like it does not have a top vent.

Thanks!
RVP
#106
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 10 2011 20:34:42
A couple of points.

Setup: Setting up the Skyscape with the front vestibule pulled back and the rear vestibule deployed shouldn't be a problem. You just need to make sure not to apply too much tension to the rear vestibule, as this will tend to pull the Skyscape out of alignment.

Apex Strut: The strut at the top of the tent is 12 inches long.

Ventilation: As noted, the Skyscape does not have a top vent. The tent does have a lot of lower ventilation to allow for pass through venting. It also primarily a double wall shelter. We believe, this more than offsets any additional moisure build up on the canopy.
#107
Skyscape 2011
Jun 14 2011 15:39:38
Regarding these last couple of posts regarding ventilation...have you had it out in testing, and if so how was the moisture...or lack of? Already purchased, and am so excited, about this tent. I am praying it comes before my hike in late July.
#108
Skyscape 2011
Jun 14 2011 15:44:22
Also thought of one more question...I like to have the basket on my trekking poles while hiking. Is this something I need to take off each night, or will it fit with the tent?
#109
Re: Skyscape 2011
Jun 14 2011 16:45:01
Venting: In our tests, we've not seen any noticeable difference in condensation between the Skyscape and our other tents with top vents.

Poles with baskets: If you're using standard trekking poles with the small round baskets, you shouldn't have a problem. The larger snow baskets would need to be removed for the pole to work in the tent.
#110
aluminum poles
Jun 20 2011 14:22:52
I have a few questions about the aluminum poles for the Skyscape tents.

How much do they weigh? How much will they cost? Will they be available to ship with the Skyscape tents in mid-July?

Thanks!
RVP
#113
Re: aluminum poles
Jun 20 2011 15:51:34
We'll some aluminum poles currently available. They are not listed on the website. They are 2.8 oz. each and sale for $15 apiece.
#114
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jun 30 2011 00:00:25
WooHoo! The Scouts and the Trekkers are shipping next week! According to Rons update, they should start arriving at the end of next week. (For those that opted not to have it seam sealed.) looking forward to it...
#115
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jul 09 2011 03:42:27
Wow that was a little box. My daughter asked me what was in it and when I told her it was a Skyscape Scout tent she laughed and said no, what's really in it. I can't wait to set it up tomorrow and seam seal it. I have a hike next weekend in the Smokies and I can't wait.
#118
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jul 12 2011 08:33:00
Hello, i´ve seen to late for the skyscape scout model there is no option for seam sealing.
Now my question: Even is the polyester also with a silicon coating or is it pu ?
Are the seams taped like the x- model or have i to seal it ?
Do you know now more about the waterproof rating ?
Thank you very much. Oliver.
#120
Re:Skyscape 2011
Jul 12 2011 20:02:58
Oliver:
PU coated polyester needs to be sealed with a traditional seam sealer such as Seam Sure or Seam Grip. Silicone sealers are intended for use on Sil-Nylon.

Only a few of the seams on the Scout are taped, so it will need to be seam sealed before you use it in the rain.

Ron had said earlier he is not posting numbers about the waterproof rating on the Skyscape models until they do in-house testing to determine an accurate measure.
#121
Re:Skyscape 2011-REVIEW
Jul 15 2011 01:00:40
Just got my skyscape trekker and reviewed it on WB with pictures. 6'1", 235#, size 13 feet, size large neo-air

www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?...right-out-of-the-box!&p=1179942#post1179942







#123
Skyscape 2011
Jul 16 2011 20:52:06
I am planning on getting a lightweight tent and am pretty impressed on the design of your Skyscape tents. However, I'm concerned about the translucency of cuben fiber tents. I've seen comments like "trouble sleeping during a full moon" and "becomes an oven when it is warm" on backpacking forums.

I've read about a fairly new metalized CTF3 cuben fiber that is reflective. It would prevent those problems as well as provide privacy. The flies could be unzipped if one wanted light inside the tent. Also, the colorized reflective fiber has a nice look to it. The reflective fiber weighs .81oz per square yard vs .75oz for the nonreflective but adding 1 or 2 ounces to the tent weight would be well worth it to me.

Have you considered using reflective cuben fiber for your Skyscape X tent?
#124
Re: Skyscape 2011
Jul 19 2011 16:26:52
Mark, I've spent a numerous nights under various Cuben Fiber shelters I've built over the years. The Skyscape X will be built using Moss Green Cuben. This is less transparent than the white. Also I've not personally found Cuben to be hotter than standard silnylon. The darker the color the more it's likely to heat up.

I've seen the reflective cuben but don't have any personal experience. I do know that it's somewhat more expensive. That would add a significant amount to the total cost of the shelter.

The reflective material would make it much darker on the inside. Which maybe a benifit if you like sleeping late. Personally, I like to be hiking by 6 am.
#125
Re: Skyscape 2011
Jul 19 2011 17:35:35
I actually like the transparent nature of Cuben. It makes me feel like I'm out in the open, but without really being out in the open (no rain or bugs). I would imagine it is a personal thing. The nice thing about this tent is that with plenty of netting on either side, I don't imagine you will get too hot.
#126
Skyscape 2011
Aug 02 2011 22:26:48
Ok...had my first weekend out in the Skyscape - Trekker...Pro's love the set up and openness. Now the negatives...please let me caviate that this is my first single wall tent. This weekend we had mucho rain, and though it would stop at night by morning my tent was raining on me in the morning from within. Now two of my other friends had single wall tents, and they also experienced the same problem. I tried on the second night to open both sides on the feet area, to add more ventilation, but no luck. Is this a standard thing I should expect with single wall tents on humid/wet nights?

Second question, what is the trick to rolling the sides up and having them stay. When I roll them up, the top or bottom starts to unravel, yet all your pictures show tight roles. I did role over instead of under if that makes sense. Overall bummed about the moisture, but love the weight (when it wasn't wet). If I figure out how to post pictures I will.
#130
Scout in the rain
Aug 11 2011 08:00:19
I love this tent!!!!
Had it out this past weekend in a good-long series of heavy rain showers and periodic gusts of wind. I did have some problems, but they were due to my own errors:
1- I hadn't sealed the seams
2- I improperly staked it out

I had no problems setting the tent up quickly at dusk during the rain (I just was a bit overtired )

I had water come in from a few spots on the unsealed seams, but it managed to conveniently puddle in the top "v" area of the bathtub floor and corners at my feet. Being only 5'4" tall, I could easily swab up the puddles (we had a LOT of rain), and I could wipe down overhead areas without hitting my head on most of the tent top. Had plenty of ventilation, so the problem less from condensation...I wiped down the interior top panel only 1 time in a 12 hour period.

The bathtub floor worked wonderfully well despite my poor set-up(no water penetration, no splashback).

Just gotta seal those seams, and hope for more rain to test it out!

Thanks for such a great product...did I say I love my tent?
#136
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